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    Re: blame Canada

    Northern Electric was a Canadian WE affiliate and licensee...
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    Re: blame Canada

    i own northern electric 515b's..
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    Re: blame Canada

    Blame it on Canada.

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    Re: blame Canada

    It should say "Assembled in Canada" all the parts were made by Altec they (Northern Electric) just put them together AFAIK.

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    Re: blame Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Altec Best View Post
    It should say "Assembled in Canada" all the parts were made by Altec they (Northern Electric) just put them together AFAIK.

    It just depends. Most things these days are not made in one country. Wager you are getting Chinese mags on your new GPA speakers.

    There are legal stipulations about "percentage of work".

    I recall the Taurus SHO engine in the 90's. Designed by Yamaha, cast in US, shipped to Japan for machining, then assembled in US. Made in USA.
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    Re: blame Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Guy View Post
    It just depends. Most things these days are not made in one country. Wager you are getting Chinese mags on your new GPA speakers.

    There are legal stipulations about "percentage of work".

    I recall the Taurus SHO engine in the 90's. Designed by Yamaha, cast in US, shipped to Japan for machining, then assembled in US. Made in USA.

    I'm talking about this particular 604 in this thread. That is made by Altec Lansing and assembled by Northern Electric. Were talking about a speaker that was made in the 1940's.The Anti-trust lawsuit filed in 1949 forced WE/AT&T to sell it's stake in Northern Electric in 1956.At that point NE was forced to develop it's own products.In the 1940's-50's there were no Chinese parts that went into any of Altec's Manufacturing.For all intense of purposes,this is a 604-604B.With it's probable 20159 (paper surround) cone and the larger Multicell horn. In the 1940-50's is when America was truly an industrial giant.Not like today where there is a hodge podge of parts manufactured in many countries and assembled in who knows what country.So this speaker with it's very early serial I would say was manufactured in the early 40's

    Western Electric History

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    AB I NEVER said anything about Chinese parts in that Altec. I have no idea why you even said that.

    But if you put the definition on the Northern Electric then we have to call GPA speakers "assembled in USA". Many cones are Eastern. As are 98% of speaker mags. You can't turn being a purist on and off. I just think if it fit the legal definition of "Made in Canada" at the time of manufacture it is grandfathered. There is zero legal reason to call it "Assembled in Canada". I am glad you pointed out it's all Altec parts, although the history you referenced does not state that. Can we guarantee the adhesives and gaskets aren't Canadian? Or that other parts may have been ordered to spec? At this point we will never know why things were done the way they were. We can quibble for the next 20 years and get nowhere, or we can move on.
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    Was just wondering why you were bringing up Chinese mags on GPA drivers on speakers that are 60 years apart. That's all OG ? Just trying to stick to the topic, this Northern Electric 604.IMO I think that NE would have received everything they needed from Altec even adhesives.It most likely would have been part of the licensing agreement.If they used inferior products it could have had an impact on Altecs reputation.As Altecs name is still on the label. Could they have used other stuff ? Anything is possible.

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    Re: blame Canada

    Simple. You insist these aren't made in Canada yet where have you said anything about GPA not being US made?
    GPA is US made. Parts of it aren't, you are getting lost in detail and sidetracks instead of the issue. I'm being clear, I never said the 604 had Chinese parts. But you don't read what is said, instead how you want to interpret it.

    You can not have it both ways, but you want to. Where is your info from Altec made all the parts? Not on any of the thousands of pieces of lit I have handled. There are many twists and turns in history, not many straight lines.

    The topic is do parts have to be made in a country for an item to be marked made in that country? You are the only one who left that topic. I just don't understand your point, I see none at all. If I'm missing please explain. Illustrating by example is not something I invented.

    Altec and WE had cross licensing agreements where both parties could make things. What I suspect is WE tried to get out of the agreement with the US government by moving production of certain items to Canada, and that is likely why they had to divest NE. Altec and WE both made many items. You can usually tell WE made WE products from Altec made WE branded products, Altec cut more corners. I have seen Altec made WE's with 4 welds holding the mag, WE made ones usually had 6.
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